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Poster: angular Date: Aug 13, 2009 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby fans are people too

When Bob posted the quote "see ya'" after pulling the soundboards, I was done with him.

When he dies I will post a message.....

"SEE YA"!"

Burn in hell rat b*stard.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: A deep dark sigh for angular....

Phil Lesh
I had two conversations with Cameron Sears, our CEO at GDP, regarding Archive, starting when our material first showed up there. I told Cameron that I was fine having the audience tapes up there, but that he should talk to everyone, including Bob Hunter and John Barlow, regarding the soundboards. A year later when I had not heard anything about the boards, I mentioned to Cameron that I felt by not doing anything we were making a decision about the boards and that I was fine with that. Again I urged him to talk to everyone. I was caught by complete surprise when, right before Thanksgiving, the recordings were pulled. I feel that Bobby was not updated properly and unfairly took most of the heat. A lot of our business disagreements are the result of poor communication from advisors. Bobby is my brother and I love him unconditionally; he is a very generous man, and was unfairly judged regarding the Archive issue. -Philzone
“I was not part of this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it. I have enjoyed using and found it invaluable during the writing of my book…Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed.”

Bob Weir
""We had to cover our asses. What they’re doing is illegal, unless there are arrangements made… particularly in the case of covers — other people’s material.If we’re perceived to be distributing their songs without their agreement, they have every right, and really and every obligation, to sue us…We had to take it down. We had no choice. It’s’s [sic] job to make arrangements with the other people whose material… we’re playing, and then everything’s good….Probably a lot of it is stuff that we intend to release in the future anyway.We need revenue. Our music division needs revenue so we can digitize all of that stuff.The ‘information wants to be free, man’ — those folks… this is not information, this is music. It’s kind of value-added information. Some people prefer to call it art….We had to go ahead and do the right thing, and it upset some folks. I’m really sorry about that. So they started up a petition, a boycott, and all that kind of stuff. I really hope they can stick to their guns, and boycott us, and… seeya."" -KBCO Boulder

Mickey Hart
"The last several days have been a whirlwind of activity and commentary regarding the Grateful Dead and I am posting this message due to the fact that despite news stories to the contrary, I have been one of the earliest backers of the taping and sharing of Grateful Dead music. I fully support the position taken by Phil in his message and always have. Being a field recordist myself, I stand united with the taper community and always will notwithstanding anything in the media to the contrary. Efforts have been made by Grateful Dead Productions and to rectify the situation and I hope our loyal fans, friends and family will continue to enjoy and participate in Grateful Dead music."

Robert Hunter
“The more I learn the more there is to know about this remarkable public relations meltdown. All you saw was the mushroom cloud. My best hope is that by the time its reported in this Sunday’s NY Times’ entertainment section it will be ancient history.” -DeadNetCentral

John Perry Barlow
“You have no idea how sad I am about this. I fought it hammer and tong, but the drummers had inoperable bricks in their head about it.
What's worse is that they now want to remove all Dead music from the Web. They might as easily put a teaspoon of food coloring in a swimming pool and then tell the pool owner to get it back to them.
It's like finding out that your brother is a child molester. And then, worse, having everyone then assume that you're a child molester too. I've been called a hypocrite in three languages already.
How magnificently counter-productive of them. It's as if the goose who laid the golden egg had decided to commit suicide so that he could get more golden eggs.
This is just the beginning of the backlash, I promise you.
This is worse than the RIAA suing their customers.” -BoingBoing

Dennis McNalley
“it was the band's conclusion, after a long discussion with [the Archive], to request that they change their policies…The idea of a massive one-stop Web site that does not build community is not what we had in mind. Our conclusion has been that it doesn't represent Grateful Dead values.” -New York Times
"The band has not fully made up its mind…Things have already changed, and God only knows if they'll change some more." -New York Times
the removal on November 22 of all downloadable Dead recordings from was the result of “a great communication snafu...It is my understanding that by the end of the day, the audience tapes will be restored to” -Relix
"At this point, all I've been asked to communicate is, 'Go look at the Web site.'" -Rolling Stone
"There was a consensus to address this issue and it got addressed…We are confronting an entirely new set of circumstances with moving new music around, and we are struggling with it like a lot of others." -Reuters

David Gans
“I have sympathies on both sides of this issue…I think it is worthwhile to ask ourselves if there isn’t some greed on the other side of the equation.” Playback

Stanley Owsley
Best thing they have done in years, in my opinion. I was never in favour of allowing the bootlegging of shows by audience members. The original idea for audience taping- about which I was not consulted - was to allow a certain group of audience members to record at shows with microphones. NO real soundboard tapes should have ever been let out, but then, only the ones that Healy gave connections out for, and of course those that Latvala, an unrepentant sneak-thief, gave away are real, many are fakes. I have NEVER allowed anyone to copy my sonic journal tapes, which were made and kept as a personal diary of my work. The music belongs to the musicians who wrote and perfomed it. It is not public property and the continued survival of all of us who particpated in bringing it to the world should be respected by all who love it. Buy the albums we make from our archives and know that you are helping pay our rent and keep food on the table. I have nothing but contempt for those who claim they were ‘robbed’ by the band’s decision on this."


... but i still want my lavendar lacoste back....

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

What about ratdog and the SBD's they have available? Is he paying the Garica estate for all the Hunter/Garcia tunes he performs? Not to metion the other covers.

rat b*stard move.

you fucking get over it.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

Great selection of quotes, thanks! Very illuminating.

Owsley's attitude is revealing in showing why the band hassled tapers for so many years.... "Latvala, the unrepentant sneak-thief!"

I liked McNally's comment:
"The idea of a massive one-stop Web site that does not build community is not what we had in doesn't represent Grateful Dead values.”

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 14, 2009 12:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

There was nothing stopping the Dead from doing something like the archive did, or making a club like mentioned in the 80s. There's certainly enough talented Deadheads, even just in the Bay Area to have done it cleanly.

Back to Bobby, "Bobby developed some pretty competent guitar skills"

That's not the question, even if Bonnie Raitt provided some comparison when she played with the Dead. Everything's not quite what it seems, even the cash to feed who's jones.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2009-08-14 07:44:41

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 14, 2009 12:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

Listening too Lil Red Rooster and other Brent rants was sometimes odd:

I'm not just mad he wouldn't talk to me at the symphony. Weir did at least provide a healthier model than the others up front, as well as a bit more energetic tunes.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 14, 2009 2:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

THE most sexy Grateful Dead sounds ever heard :little red rooster !!!

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

Wow! Dark Star Orchestra has SBD's available for download. Don't you think they would be worried about the Dead suing for copyright infringement?

Bobby's obama move verified.

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 15, 2009 6:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

"A deep dak sigh for me" Thank you, that makes me feel better. I think I can go to sleep tonight instead of tossing and turning woorying about what you think.

Thank you for posting the interviews. It only confirms my point. You should check out the audio of Bob--that seals it for me. I have been unable to track it (the sites don't come up). The vocal inflection and the mymicry of the fans was uncalled for. About the copyright material they could get in trouble for--check out how many artist on the archive or elsewhere have songs performed by other artists on the web. You don't see them pulling SB's from downloadable form. It was a greedy money/power grab.

Is he an accomplished guitarist. HELL YES! I will continue to enjoy his body of work with the GD. Past 1995, no, due to the attitude he gave. What's up with the beard and stash anyway. Trying to be a Jerry Jr? He just looks like a walrus.

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 14, 2009 3:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A deep dark sigh for angular....

I wish I could find the audio to put it in it's propper context, but here's a blast from the past.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby fans are people too

If thats the case why cant i get Jerry Band shows on the LMA?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby fans are people too

"If thats the case why cant i get Jerry Band shows on the LMA?"

3 word answer....

Deborah Koons Garcia

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bobby fans are people too

and there's here: